[cabfpub] Obtaining an EV cert for phishing

[Ryan Sleevi]

Just to square these comments:

Kirk's position was that EV certificates provide a way of tracking those
who'd commit crime online because they have to disclose identity.
Gerv and James pointed out that the identity information is only as useful
as it is vetted, and there's scenarios where the vetting may not be
rigorous.
Ben pointed out that it'd be a crime to lie to the government (although, as
a broad statement, this varies by jurisdiction)

By combining these views, it seems like we're in agreement that criminals
who are willing to commit crime may need to commit crime to commit crime.
That doesn't seem like the requirement to commit crime would deter a
criminal from committing crime, but what do I know - I'm not a criminal (I
don't think...)

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Ben Wilson via Public <public at cabforum.org
> wrote:

> Gerv wrote: I would say that the EV Guidelines allow EV issuers to trust
> things which are QGISes because there's an assumption that information in a
> Government information source will have had some level of checking.
>
> I'd disagree.  QGISes are relied upon because everyone relies on them
> because lying to the government is a crime.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Public [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Gervase
> Markham via Public
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:46 AM
> To: Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall at entrustdatacard.com>; James Burton <
> james at sirburton.com>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <
> public at cabforum.org>
> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Obtaining an EV cert for phishing
>
> Hi Kirk,
>
> On 28/11/17 17:03, Kirk Hall wrote:
> > Thanks for the additional information, James.  In the end, the EV
> > Guidelines did exactly what they were designed to do – they provided a
> > way for the public to find you (as the company owner) if you used your
> > EV certificate and domain to do something wrong.
>
> They did, but only because he was honest. He is pointing out that it may
> not be difficult, due to the lack of checking, for a dishonest person to
> use fake information. I do think that's an issue of concern.
>
> I would say that the EV Guidelines allow EV issuers to trust things which
> are QGISes because there's an assumption that information in a Government
> information source will have had some level of checking. But it seems from
> this experience that this is not true in all cases. That concerns me. Do we
> have to agree that Companies House is not a valid QGIS?
>
> This is not a phishing issue, it's a more general "integrity of the EV
> process" issue.
>
> Gerv
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