[cabfpub] C=GR, C=UK exceptions in BRs

[philliph at comodo.com]

The UN is not the only international organization. There are dozens. And they do not have sovereign status. Not even the UN.

In practice, CERN was happy being cern.ch <http://cern.ch/> and the UN being un.org <http://un.org/> despite the invention of .int just for them.

Let us not go making more problems.



> On Mar 20, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Erwann Abalea via Public <public at cabforum.org> wrote:
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> For the sake of the exercise, lets extend the question to United Nations. UN headquarters are not subject to US law, they’re considered as international territory.
> UN has no country code, even if the « UN » ISO3166-1 country code has been reserved.
> Under current BR, clause 3.2.2.3 says that a CA could issue a certificate for UN with C=US if:
>  - the web site's IP address has been assigned to the US;
>  - the applicant’s IP address has been assigned to the US;
>  - ccTLD used is .us; or
>  - the Domain Name Registrar provides information saying that the subject is in the US
> (method (d) can hardly return a positive result for C=US).
> 
> Under current BR, having C=UN is not possible. Is it correct to forbid C=UN for this specific case?
> 
> (www.un.org <http://www.un.org/> and www.un.int <http://www.un.int/> have an OV certificate clearly listing a physical place that is within the UN HQ (i.e. international territory), with C=US)
> 
> Cordialement,
> Erwann Abalea
> 
>> Le 20 mars 2017 à 18:22, Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public <public at cabforum.org <mailto:public at cabforum.org>> a écrit :
>> 
>> Thank you Gerv, I will try contacting the NQIS ELOT <https://www.iso.org/member/1759.html>, the Greek representative body in ISO, to see if there is more to this "EL" story.
>> 
>> Thanks everyone for the discussion.
>> 
>> 
>> Dimitris.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/3/2017 2:35 μμ, Gervase Markham wrote:
>>> On 20/03/17 08:03, Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public wrote:
>>>> I don't know if the Greek government has contacted ISO3166 in order to
>>>> add some text that makes an "exceptional reservation" notice for "EL"
>>>> but would this change anything? I mean "UK" is already marked as
>>>> "exceptionally reserved" but it's still not allowed in the current BRs.
>>> It would change everything. If EL were exceptionally reserved, that
>>> would mean it could not be allocated to another country, and it would be
>>> reserved for use by Greece. Without such an exceptional reservation, it
>>> could be allocated at any time. New countries do come into being from
>>> time to time, you know :-)
>>> 
>>> In other words, I think it would be fine (although not compulsory) to
>>> update the BRs to allow countries to use alternate codes which were
>>> exceptionally reserved for them. There is no risk of ambiguity here. But
>>> it would be deeply unwise for us to update the BRs to allow the use of
>>> officially-unallocated country identifiers.
>>> 
>>> I am not suggesting that Dimitris petition the ISO, I am saying that if
>>> the Greek government want people to use EL, _they_ need to sort it out
>>> with ISO. They probably have more clout than Dimitris, anyway ;-)
>>> 
>>> Gerv
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