<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Hi Ben,</span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think it’s fine to start making a list of who wants to participate in the group, and making sure those prospective members have submitted their signed IPR Agreements. You could even schedule a meeting on July 3rd. If people see that there’s not going to be a big lag time after July 3rd, and the group is going to be up and running on that date, it might encourage people to get their agreements in and sign up.<div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">Best regards,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 17px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">Virginia Fournier</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(113, 113, 113);" class=""></span> Apple Inc.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: "Apple SD Gothic Neo";" class="">☏</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>669-227-9595</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class=""><span style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: "Zapf Dingbats"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">✉︎</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" class="">vmf@apple.com</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(87, 157, 255); min-height: 17px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><br class=""><div class="">On Jun 12, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Ben Wilson <<a href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com" class="">ben.wilson@digicert.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m fine with whatever. I was just hoping that we could have a soft launch of the SCWG and encourage members to start submitting their signed IPR Agreement by scheduling a meeting before July 3. But I see your point that all of the base documents don’t come into effect until then, so it doesn’t do much good to start up operations.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Virginia Fournier via Govreform<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:32 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Virginia Fournier <<a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vfournier@apple.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Draft email on new Server Certificate Working Group for editing<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">P.S. If you want to send out an email with next steps, just make it a short email with bullet points. You don’t need to justify every bullet with quotes from other documents. If people have questions about something we can address those questions individually. Please let’s not turn this into a verbal brawl.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(113, 113, 113);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">✉</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Zapf Dingbats", serif;" class="">︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(87, 157, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 12, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Virginia Fournier via Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ballot 206 says this at the end:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3.75pt 15pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">4.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class="">Applicability of Amendments. The amendments to the IPR Policy and the Bylaws described in this ballot shall become effective 90 days after the date on which the vote for approval is final, and shall not apply retroactively. Any Draft Guideline Ballots already in the Review Period when such amendments go into effect shall comply with the versions of the IPR Policy and the Bylaws in effect when such Review Period began.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">We’ve told people they have to sign by July 3rd. Are we encountering or expecting resistance? Why are we spending so much time on this issue? Why do we need to send out an email on this issue? I don’t think one person’s question (which has already been answered) warrants this much thrashing about.</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(113, 113, 113);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class="">✉</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Zapf Dingbats", serif; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class="">︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(4, 51, 255);" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(87, 157, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 12, 2018, at 6:21 PM, Kirk Hall via Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hmmm… good point. So Section 5.3.1 of Bylaws v1.9 does not take effect until July 3 – that affects a lot of transition issues (like election of a new Chair and call to participate under subsection (c)) – that’s a problem.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree that the SCWG itself exists now, and you and I are Vice Chair and Chair, but we have no enumerated powers to start anything until July 3 – so maybe we rephrase the message that way, and again do nothing until July 3.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Also – if the IPR Agreement v1.3 does not become effective until July 3 under the Ballot, and Bylaw 5.5 (which gives people 90 days to sign) doesn’t take effect until July 3 – does that mean Members have 90 days AFTER July 3 to sign the new IPR Agreement – which is October 1? Yes and No - here’s what Bylaw 5.5 (effective July 3) says:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">5.5 IPR Policy<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As a requirement for membership, Members must execute and return to the Chair the IPR Agreement attached as Exhibit A before participating in any CWG. As the IPR Policy is amended from time to time, Members will be required to execute and return a new IPR Agreement within 90 days of the Forum’s written request; if a Member fails to execute and return the new IPR Agreement within such 90-day period, then the Member’s Forum membership shall default to an Associate Membership until the agreement is signed and returned.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""><span style="background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">As a requirement for participation in any CWG as an Associate Member or Interested Party,</span></u><span class="apple-converted-space"><u class=""> </u></span><u class=""><span style="background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Associate Members and Interested Parties must execute and return to the Chair the IPR Agreement attached as Exhibit A before participating in any CWG</span></u>. As the IPR Policy is amended from time to time, Associate Members and Interested Parties will be required to execute and return a new IPR Agreement within 90 days of the Forum’s written request; if an Associated Member or Interested Party fails to execute and return the new IPR Agreement within such 90-day period, its participation in Forum calls, meetings, activities, and events shall be suspended until the agreement is signed and returned.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So I think we are correct in saying everyone must sign the new IPRA before joining the SCWG. I don’t think a Member who hasn’t signed can participate in the SCWG as a downgraded Associate Member – that only happens at the Forum level. Likewise, an Associate Member who hasn’t signed can’t participate at all in the SCWG.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: red;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On election of SCWG officers – I am assuming the SCWG can create officer positions and rules by SCWG Ballot – so SCWG Ballot 1 might mirror the current Bylaw 4.1 on election of a Chair and Vice Chair for the SCWG. Anyone disagree?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Ben Wilson [<a href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:37 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</span></a>>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL]RE: [cabf_governance] Draft email on new Server Certificate Working Group for editing<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kirk,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The SCWG has been created. Ballot 206 only says, “The amendments to the IPR Policy and the Bylaws described in this ballot shall become effective 90 days after the date on which the vote for approval is final, and shall not apply retroactively.” Also, the Charter for the SCWG inside Ballot 206 says, “Upon approval of the CAB Forum by ballot, ….” <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I started editing your email, but then I stopped because I wanted to make sure we have agreement on that point.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ben<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Governance Change Working Group met by teleconference<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""><span style="color: red;" class="">yesterday</span></u><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>to talk about the steps needed once we transition to the new governance structure on July 3. Here are some preliminary plans, which we can discuss on Thursday’s Forum teleconference. The new governance documents adopted in Ballot 206 are attached.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">1. Who can participate in the Forum or the Server Certificate Working Group (SCWG) after July 3?</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Under Bylaw 5.5, in order to maintain your current participation rights, you must sign and return the IPR Agreement v1.3 (IPRA). <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Any current Member who fails to sign the IPRA is downgraded to Associate Member status for 90 days and can’t vote on ballots. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Any current Associate Member who fails to sign the IPRA loses its Associate Member status and its right to participate until the IPRA is signed.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Any current Member who is downgraded to Associate Member status and still fails to sign the IPRA over the following 90 days (by October 1) loses its Associate Member status and its right to participate until the IPRA is signed.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Any Interested Party who fails to sign the IPRA loses the right to participate.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">2. How does the new Server Certificate Working Group get started?</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The SCWG Charter was approved by Ballot 206.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The SCWG Charter says this:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Initial chairs and contacts</b>: Chair, Kirk Hall,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kirk.hall@entrustdatacard.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">kirk.hall@entrustdatacard.com</span></a>; Vice Chair, Ben Wilson,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">ben.wilson@digicert.com</span></a>; terms to run concurrently with their terms as Chair and Vice Chair of the Forum, respectively,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">unless otherwise voted upon by the Working Group</u>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bylaws v1.9 Sec. 5.3.1(c) says this generally about new Chartered Working Groups, including the SCWG:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">(c) After the charter is approved,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">the CWG MAY elect a new Chair by majority vote of the CWG’s members</u>, or as otherwise specified in the charter.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">The CWG Chair will send an invitation to the Public Mail List for an initial CWG meeting and will solicit eligible Members, Associate Members and Interested Parties (as specified in the charter) with expertise and interest in the CWG’s subject matter to participate in the CWG</u>. In order to participate in a Working Group, a party must have agreed to the IPR Policy Agreement and formally declared participation. Each CWG Chair shall be responsible for ensuring that all parties attending the respective CWG meetings have signed the IPR Policy Agreement and have formally declared their participation in the CWG via the mechanism designated by the Forum prior to attending.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We think these provisions should be implemented as follows:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: red;" class="">Kirk and Ben are Chair and Vice-Chair of the SCWG, respectively. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Our terms as Forum officers expire on October 21, but the Charter does not limit our terms as initial officers of the SCWG. However, the SCWG can elect a new Chair prior to October 21, once it has established who the members of the SCWG are.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We think the new SCWG should meet in the same time slot as the Forum does for the first few meetings (Forum call first, then adjourn and reconvene as the SCWG). The first such meeting will be Thursday, _______. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">[Ben stopped editing here]<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Accordingly, on July 3rd I will send the official “invitation to the Public Mail List for an initial CWG meeting and will solicit eligible Members, Associate Members and Interested Parties (as specified in the charter) with expertise and interest in the CWG’s subject matter to participate in the CWG”. The invitation will indicate the first meeting will be on July 12 at 11:00 am Eastern, right after a brief Forum meeting starting at the same time adjourns. As with our current Forum teleconferences, only Members and Associate Members can be on the teleconference – subject to the rules on signing the IPR Agreement described above.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We have created a page on the wiki under “Working Groups – Server Certificate Working Group.” Members and Associate Members who want to indicate their desire to be members of the SCWG can sign up there, either before or after July 3, to help us establish a roster of participants and establish a new SCWG email list.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">3. What will be on the SCWG’s Agenda for its first meeting on July 12?</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We think the SCWG’s Agendas will generally be similar to the Forum’s current Agendas. However, there are two preliminary things to work on:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Approve a process for electing SCWG officers, then hold elections. As quoted above, the Charter says Kirk and Ben are the SCWG Chair and Vice-Chair “unless otherwise voted upon by the Working Group”. The Bylaws say (for all new Working Groups) “After the charter is approved, the CWG MAY elect a new Chair by majority vote of the CWG’s members, or as otherwise specified in the charter.” The SCWG will have to decide if it has power to elect both a new Chair and new Vice-Chair, and if it can adopt more detailed election procedures (e.g., like the Bylaws provisions for election the Forum’s Chair and Vice-Chair) and schedule nominations and elections.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Approve Subcommittees for the SCWG. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bylaw 5.3.1(e) says: “CWGs [Chartered Working Groups, like the SCWG] may establish any number of subcommittees within its own Working Group to address any of such CWG’s business (each, a “Subcommittee”). A CWG-created Subcommittee needs to be approved by the CWG itself according to the approval process set forth in the CWG charter, but approval of the Forum is not necessary. Subcommittees must exist under an approved CWG.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Forum currently has four Working Groups:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">1.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Validation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Network Security<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">3.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Policy Review<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">4.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Governance Change<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We assume the SCWG will want to establish the first three as Subcommittees, but not the fourth one (not the Governance Change Working Group), as governance change issues are better addressed at the full Forum level. However, the SCWG might want its own “Governance Subcommittee” to work through some of the initial SCWG start-up issues it is facing.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I may ask for suggestions on these two matters on the current Public list starting on July 3 (once the SCWG comes into existence) – we can certainly start discussing this before the July 12 initial meeting.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">4. How will we establish new email lists for the Server Certificate Working Group?</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""> </b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We think it’s best to keep the current Public@ and Management@ lists for Forum communications after July 3, so we are likely to establish new email lists (one Public, one Management) for the SCWG.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Govreform mailing list<br class=""></span><a href="mailto:Govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">Govreform@cabforum.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""></span><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/govreform" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/govreform</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Govreform mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Govreform@cabforum.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/govreform" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/govreform</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></body></html>