<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Hi Dean,</span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you’d like to prepare 2 slides that summarize the original ballot, then how the goals were accomplished, we can add them to the deck. I think they should go together rather than having one at the beginning and one at the end. This ballot is already pretty complicated, and we need to be careful about not making it even more challenging to understand. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We also should be careful about not raising some of the issues the WG discussed and dismissed, to avoid rat-hole discussions that detract focus from what we’re trying to accomplish. For example, questions like these would not be helpful during the tutorial discussion: "Why isn’t there an extensive written report?” "Why aren’t we incorporating CAB Forum?” "What does “representation of others in Forum issues” mean, and what did the working group do to address that?” “Can we talk about the admin functions and what they are?” Etc. The bottom line is that this is what the Governance WG is proposing, and members have had ample time to object and submit comments and questions. We need to move forward.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does that make sense?</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Best regards,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; min-height: 17px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Virginia Fournier</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-family: 'Myriad Set Pro'; color: rgb(94, 94, 94); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span> Apple Inc.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">☏ 669-227-9595</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(71, 135, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">✉︎ <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class="">vmf@apple.com</span></a></span></div></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><br class=""><div class="">On Feb 27, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" class="">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I think we should start this presentation by reviewing the original ballot that created the working group and the goals stated therein. Then we wrap with a final slide that shows how we addressed these goals.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">As a reminder, the working group was chartered by Ballot 165 on March 31, 2016. At the time, 19 CAs and 4 Browsers voted for the ballot. There were 0 NO votes.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">------------------------------------------------------<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The Working Group’s charter will be as follows:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1. Consider revisions to the scope of the Forum to include possible additional topics such as code signing, SMIME and client certificate usages<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">2. Review the scope of the IPR and IP ownership issues<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">3. Consider options for representation of others in forum issues<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">4. Review voting rules and rights<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">5. Review admin functions<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">6. Examine making the forum an “official” organization (e.g. Incorporation)<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">7. Review how requirements and guideline documents would be structured in a newly organized forum would be done<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The group’s deliverables will be:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1. An extensive report with one or more proposals on possible changes to the Forum organization (“proposed structure”)<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">2. A proposal on requirements and guideline document structure and proprietorship<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">3. A form of ballot or ballots to implement any recommendations<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="line874" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The Working Group shall expire once the deliverables have been completed.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-------------------------------------------------<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This tells everyone that hey, here’s what you told us to do, here’s all the work we did to get here and here’s what the outcome is.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The rest of the content is perfectly fine.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thoughts?<br class="">Dean<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform [<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Virginia Fournier via Govreform<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:15 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] ballot preso<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello all,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Any questions or suggestions on the proposed preso for the F2F? Thanks!<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Myriad Set Pro", serif; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">✉︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Virginia Fournier via Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi - here’s my draft of the governance WG preso for the F2F. Please let me know if you have questions/ suggestions. Thanks!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><CABF_F2Fpreso_022018_vmf.pptx><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Myriad Set Pro", serif; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class="">✉︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Govreform mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Govreform@cabforum.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/govreform" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/govreform</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>