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<div style=""><br class=""><div class="">On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" class="">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We got it and reviewed on our call this week.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dean<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></a></div><span class=""></span><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" class="">vfournier@apple.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" class="">mailto:vfournier@apple.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:20 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" class="">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" class="">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>; Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" class="">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Dimitris,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I did not receive the attachment - for some reason the attachments get stripped when I get emails from the CAB Forum lists. Would you please paste the changed language into an email and send to me directly so I get it? Thanks very much.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Myriad Set Pro"; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">✉︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Virginia,<br class=""><br class="">Ben circulated on Jan 23rd a revised Server Certificate WG Charter that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, so we're good there.<br class=""><br class="">The Bylaws diff that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, is included in a word attachment I sent yesterday (also correcting a wrong reference at the beginning of the document). Please let me know if you need anything else.<br class=""><br class="">The only question is if the WG wants to further discuss the "loop" problem. With the current language, you can't start a WG without a "Certificate Consumer"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">as a member</b>.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 7/2/2018 12:00 πμ, Virginia Fournier wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Tim and Dimitris,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ok, it sounds like we have consensus on what we need to have in the Bylaws and the Server Certificate WG. Would you please send us an email clearly indicating what needs to be changed? Please note that redlines don’t come through in this format, so maybe you could provide something like:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In Section 2.x, change “the red fox ran fast” to “the red hen ran away.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Otherwise, a diff file would be helpful as well. Thanks!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks very much! <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Myriad Set Pro"; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class="">✉︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Tim Hollebeek via Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">That sounds right to me.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">-Tim<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225);" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:50 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>; Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Certainly for the Server Working Group. But how about the new general Bylaws or a new WG around S/MIME? We've said numerous times that the Baseline Requirements apply only to SSL/TLS Certificates and so do the WebTrust for CAs Baseline + NetSec.<br class=""><br class="">I recommend adding both. 1 should apply to the new Server Certificate WG and 2 should apply to the new general Bylaws.<br class=""><br class="">Dimitris.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:39 μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Ok, I think I get it.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">We should either:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">upgrade the WebTrust requirement to “WebTrust for CAs Baseline and NetSec” in order to align with requiring 411-1, or<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">downgrade the ETSI requirement to 401 to align with requiring “WebTrust for CAs”.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ol><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Is that the right summary?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">In this day and age, I think (1) is the right approach.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">-Tim<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:25 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim Hollebeek<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></span></a>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a>; Dean Coclin<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><dean.coclin@digicert.com></span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">For those of us who have historically tried hard not to understand European regulations, but probably should understand them better than we do, is one a superset of the other, and if so, in which direction? If not, what does the Venn diagram look like?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class="">ETSI EN 319 401 is the first level and 411 (part 1) is built on top of 401. Here is a diagram available from the document ETSI TR 119 400 (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/2rg4jdXEPgpG0cVYXn_7B2jFMYhRbjZ1dDZ93zj7UIU=?d=Q-_kHzd0gf5QWQHtRHrPGfKdJo-f3eGryq7gLFMOP2nmmUSSN0U7d-mlnvjACjvkLYiE5YSQEMOLG71tO_RXchqmCncqIIcrFDtBeLZUAlZrHYS8NABgkLo9xeRneXrt67GFWsXpg4qrHaH2i1WE2nD-PJw6kFVRieKZGqfvwVIHbZc847hmNDYYX1OK-hZ2RJn83ueD16yLldoF5f-b26oVHL9YP3qAYqDB1DBj5oHF-Q438yRy8rGuXF2HtuTqmKwbBBcXk0PC1tLRGSErqip7OX_iU04gunrmBr-tIKOBZoFGECMHVRiWmRxQB1S5rVsr5AWiz9-5775yk-JIHODdvIp7ftjTJD56OOQ9yrXrU-QwbxLq6ktF8tL8RuOpgVEfSg%3D%3D&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_tr%2F119400_119499%2F119400%2F01.01.01_60%2Ftr_119400v010101p.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/119400_119499/119400/01.01.01_60/tr_119400v010101p.pdf</span></a>)<br class=""><br class=""><image001.png><br class=""><br class="">I hope it is clearer now.<br class=""><br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">-Tim<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform [<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:10 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean Coclin<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><dean.coclin@digicert.com></span></a>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:02 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">I’m still confused. The requirements from browsers is 411-1.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class="">But the new Bylaws are not only for Browsers :-)<br class=""><br class="">The Server Certificates WG will require ETSI EN 319 411-1 BUT IT SHOULD ALSO require not just WebTrust for CAs but also WebTrust for CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br class=""><br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:01 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean Coclin<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><dean.coclin@digicert.com></span></a>; CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">On 6/2/2018 8:15 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Dimitris,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">We currently list ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to 401?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class="">411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and Network Security Requirements, which is equal to WebTrust for CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br class="">401 covers similar items as WebTrust for CAs.<br class=""><br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class="">Dean<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform [<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:16 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Virginia Fournier<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><vfournier@apple.com></span></a><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">On 6/2/2018 6:25 μμ, Virginia Fournier wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Hi Dimitris,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Would you please let us know what changes you’d propose to resolve the issues you’ve mentioned below? Your changes weren’t left out intentionally - we probably just missed your request. Thanks.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class="">Certainly. I have attached a red-lined version of the proposed changes on the "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc" file, to align the ETSI audit criteria with WebTrust. I also made a small reference correction to the "Certificate Consumer" definition.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">However, I couldn't provide an easy language fix for the requirement 2.1 a, and I hope the WG will be able to discuss on a future call. I will try to highlight the problem and propose some language to resolve the loop.<br class=""><br class="">Here are the current definitions:<br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(1) "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization operates a certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that actively issues certificates to end entities, such certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer Member. Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum"</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(2)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Root Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization operates a certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">,</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that issues certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively issue certificates to end entities such certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer Member</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum. "</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(3)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization produces a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates and is a member of a Working Group"</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">First of all, since 2.1 talks about "qualifying for Forum Membership", which I understand to mean "Applicants", I propose we replace "member organization" to "applicant organization". In order to resolve the loop problem, perhaps the part of the "Certificate Consumer" definition that talks about software intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates, should be included in the definitions of (1) and (2).<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Here is a suggestion for these definitions:<br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(1) "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization operates a certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that actively issues certificates to end entities, such certificates being treated as valid by a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates. Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum"</span><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(2)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Root Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization operates a certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">,</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that issues certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively issue certificates to end entities such certificates being treated as valid by a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum. "</span><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(3)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization produces a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates and is a member of a Working Group"</span><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Thank you,<br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Please excuse iTypos<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><br class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">jimmy@it.auth.gr</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><br class="">Hello all,<br class=""><br class="">I reviewed the diffs and the proposed alignment between WebTrust and ETSI is not included in the proposed Bylaws draft (2.1a). I sent a proposal on Jan 9th (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</span></a>) about the Server Certificate Working Group Charter but the concept is the same for the Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs" audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit should be "<b class="">ETSI EN 319 401</b>". This probably fits best for the Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs + WebTrust Baseline + NetSec " audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit should be "ETSI EN 319 411-1". This probably fits best for the Server Certificate Working Group Charter.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">The old ETSI TS standards should not be included in the new bylaws.<br class=""><br class="">I was also puzzled with the following requirement in the Bylaws (section 2.1a) "such certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer<span class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""> </b></span><b class="">Member</b>". So, if a CA issues Certificates for Digital Signatures which are trusted by Adobe and Adobe is not a Member of the Forum, then this CA doesn't meet the requirements. Is this a correct interpretation?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Best regards,<br class="">Dimitris.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia Fournier via Govreform wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Hi all,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">My apologies, I have a conflict for tomorrow’s meeting and will not be able to attend. I am sending what I hope are virtually final versions of the documents. I am sending diff files for the Bylaws and IPR policy, as the Word compare function will not cooperate. The diffs may be easier to read in the end anyway.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">As you may have seen from my email earlier today, we have to cut off any new issues, content, etc. from being added to the ballot so we can finalize it. From this point forward, we need to just review what we have, clean up typos or any errors in the ballot, and move it forward. With this in mind, I’d appreciate it if you’d review the documents attached/referenced below to see if there are any corrections/adjustments that need to be made. We can keep a list of additional issues that should be addressed for the next ballot.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">What is the status of the Server Certificate WG charter? I sent some comments to Dean/Ben - have you had a chance to look at those? We need the final version of that document also to complete the package.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">I’d like to send the documents out early next week and start an “informal” discussion period of 7 days next for any questions people may have. Does anyone see any obstacles to doing that?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Here’s the diff for the Bylaws (all changes since version 1.7 shown).<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/uyKpIpWVOanrzEuutNyKQlSALyoi3PkQHMormrBAvWs=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdraftable.com%2Fcompare%2FJHYFfXWaHGRx" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://draftable.com/compare/JHYFfXWaHGRx</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Here’s the diff for the IPR Policy (all changes since version 1.2 shown:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/8q3XvGqohjM8pvFAj8n2TNaDAB0so_mrZcspY58oCLE=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdraftable.com%2Fcompare%2FQuHvYZiCAAUr" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://draftable.com/compare/QuHvYZiCAAUr</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">=<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">669-227-9595</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;" class="">✉︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">vmf@apple.com</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Virginia Fournier via Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">govreform@cabforum.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Hello all,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Here are the final documents for Ballot 206. Please confirm that you’re ready to go forward with them in January after the holidays. Please also let me know if you can open the Bylaws diff file. What is the status of the Server Certificate WG’s charter? Thanks for everyone’s hard work on this project.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><CABF_Ballot206_20DEC17.docx><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_clean.doc><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_redline.doc><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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