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    Sounds good.<br>
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    No further comments from me :) <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Dimitris.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2018 5:45 μμ, Tim Hollebeek
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dimitris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We discussed
            the bootstrapping problem on the governance call yesterday. 
            In the event that there is a need for a new WG and none of
            the appropriate Certificate Consumers are currently members
            of the Forum, the CAs that want that WG simply need to state
            in the WG charter that one or more Certificate Consumers are
            founding members of the WG.  If the WG charter passes, then
            the Founding Certificate Consumers become members of the
            Forum due to their membership in the new WG.  Therefore it
            was the opinion of those on the call that the current Bylaws
            can handle this situation adequately.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                  style="color:windowtext"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>] <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:05 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Virginia Fournier
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com"><vfournier@apple.com></a>; Tim Hollebeek
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>; CA/Browser Forum
                  Governance WG List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> Dean Coclin
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                  documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Virginia,<br>
            <br>
            Ben circulated on Jan 23rd a revised Server Certificate WG
            Charter that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, so
            we're good there.<br>
            <br>
            The Bylaws diff that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI
            alignment, is included in a word attachment I sent yesterday
            (also correcting a wrong reference at the beginning of the
            document). Please let me know if you need anything else.<br>
            <br>
            The only question is if the WG wants to further discuss the
            "loop" problem. With the current language, you can't start a
            WG without a "Certificate Consumer" <b>as a member</b>.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Dimitris.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/2/2018 12:00 πμ, Virginia Fournier
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Tim and Dimitris, <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Ok, it sounds like we have consensus
                on what we need to have in the Bylaws and the Server
                Certificate WG.  Would you please send us an email
                clearly indicating what needs to be changed?  Please
                note that redlines don’t come through in this format, so
                maybe you could provide something like:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">In Section 2.x, change “the red fox
                ran fast” to “the red hen ran away.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise, a diff file would be
                helpful as well.  Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks very much! <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Best
                            regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Virginia
                            Fournier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Senior
                            Standards Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> Apple
                            Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">
                            669-227-9595<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              href="mailto:vmf@apple.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">vmf@apple.com</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#4787FF"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Tim
                    Hollebeek via Govreform <<a
                      href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="color:windowtext">That sounds right to
                        me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="color:windowtext">-Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
                                style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                style="color:windowtext"> </span></span><span
                              style="color:windowtext">Dimitris
                              Zacharopoulos [<a
                                href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                              <b>Sent:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                              February 6, 2018 12:50 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim
                              Hollebeek <<a
                                href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                              CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a
                                href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>;
                              Dean Coclin <<a
                                href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                              [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">Certainly
                      for the Server Working Group. But how about the
                      new general Bylaws or a new WG around S/MIME?
                      We've said numerous times that the Baseline
                      Requirements apply only to SSL/TLS Certificates
                      and so do the WebTrust for CAs Baseline + NetSec.<br>
                      <br>
                      I recommend adding both. 1 should apply to the new
                      Server Certificate WG and 2 should apply to the
                      new general Bylaws.<br>
                      <br>
                      Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">On
                          6/2/2018 9:39 μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext">Ok, I think I get
                            it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="color:windowtext">We should either:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
                          style="color:windowtext;mso-list:l1 level1
                          lfo1;background:white">upgrade the WebTrust
                          requirement to “WebTrust for CAs Baseline and
                          NetSec” in order to align with requiring
                          411-1, or<o:p></o:p></li>
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
                          style="color:windowtext;mso-list:l1 level1
                          lfo1;background:white">downgrade the ETSI
                          requirement to 401 to align with requiring
                          “WebTrust for CAs”.<o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext">Is that the right
                            summary?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext">In this day and
                            age, I think (1) is the right approach.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext">-Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                            style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue
                        1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><b><span
                                    style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                    style="color:windowtext"> </span></span><span
                                  style="color:windowtext">Dimitris
                                  Zacharopoulos [<a
                                    href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</span></a>]<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                  February 6, 2018 12:25 PM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim
                                  Hollebeek<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></span></a>;
                                  CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple"><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a>;
                                  Dean Coclin<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></span></a><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                  [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                                  documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white">On 6/2/2018 9:17
                              μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="color:windowtext">For those of us
                                who have historically tried hard not to
                                understand European regulations, but
                                probably should understand them better
                                than we do, is one a superset of the
                                other, and if so, in which direction? 
                                If not, what does the Venn diagram look
                                like?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><br>
                            ETSI EN 319 401 is the first level and 411
                            (part 1) is built on top of 401. Here is a
                            diagram available from the document ETSI TR
                            119 400 (<a
href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/2rg4jdXEPgpG0cVYXn_7B2jFMYhRbjZ1dDZ93zj7UIU=?d=Q-_kHzd0gf5QWQHtRHrPGfKdJo-f3eGryq7gLFMOP2nmmUSSN0U7d-mlnvjACjvkLYiE5YSQEMOLG71tO_RXchqmCncqIIcrFDtBeLZUAlZrHYS8NABgkLo9xeRneXrt67GFWsXpg4qrHaH2i1WE2nD-PJw6kFVRieKZGqfvwVIHbZc847hmNDYYX1OK-hZ2RJn83ueD16yLldoF5f-b26oVHL9YP3qAYqDB1DBj5oHF-Q438yRy8rGuXF2HtuTqmKwbBBcXk0PC1tLRGSErqip7OX_iU04gunrmBr-tIKOBZoFGECMHVRiWmRxQB1S5rVsr5AWiz9-5775yk-JIHODdvIp7ftjTJD56OOQ9yrXrU-QwbxLq6ktF8tL8RuOpgVEfSg%3D%3D&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_tr%2F119400_119499%2F119400%2F01.01.01_60%2Ftr_119400v010101p.pdf"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                style="color:purple">http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/119400_119499/119400/01.01.01_60/tr_119400v010101p.pdf</span></a>)<br>
                            <br>
                            <image001.png><br>
                            <br>
                            I hope it is clearer now.<br>
                            <br>
                            Dimitris.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="color:windowtext">-Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue
                            1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
                            <div>
                              <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><b><span
                                        style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                        style="color:windowtext"> </span></span><span
                                      style="color:windowtext">Govreform
                                      [<a
                                        href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>]<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                        Behalf Of<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                                      Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                      February 6, 2018 12:10 PM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean
                                      Coclin<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></span></a>;
                                      CA/Browser Forum Governance WG
                                      List<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple"><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                      [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                                      documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white">On 6/2/2018
                                  9:02 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="color:windowtext">I’m still
                                    confused. The requirements from
                                    browsers is 411-1.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </blockquote>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><br>
                                But the new Bylaws are not only for
                                Browsers :-)<br>
                                <br>
                                The Server Certificates WG will require
                                ETSI EN 319 411-1 BUT IT SHOULD ALSO
                                require not just WebTrust for CAs but
                                also WebTrust for CAs Baseline and
                                NetSec.<br>
                                <br>
                                Dimitris.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                  #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
                                  0in">
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
                                          style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                          style="color:windowtext"> </span></span><span
                                        style="color:windowtext">Dimitris
                                        Zacharopoulos [<a
                                          href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            style="color:purple">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</span></a>]<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                        February 6, 2018 2:01 PM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean
                                        Coclin<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            style="color:purple"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></span></a>;
                                        CA/Browser Forum Governance WG
                                        List<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            style="color:purple"><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                        [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                                        documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white">On 6/2/2018
                                    8:15 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><span
                                      style="color:windowtext">Dimitris,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><span
                                      style="color:windowtext">We
                                      currently list ETSI 411-1. Why
                                      should we change to 401?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><br>
                                  411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and
                                  Network Security Requirements, which
                                  is equal to WebTrust for CAs Baseline
                                  and NetSec.<br>
                                  401 covers similar items as WebTrust
                                  for CAs.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Dimitris.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><span
                                      style="color:windowtext"><br>
                                      Dean</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><span
                                      style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div
                                    style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                    #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
                                    0in">
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="background:white"><b><span
                                            style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                            style="color:windowtext"> </span></span><span
                                          style="color:windowtext">Govreform
                                          [<a
                                            href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                              style="color:purple">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                                          Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br>
                                          <b>Sent:</b><span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                          February 6, 2018 12:16 PM<br>
                                          <b>To:</b><span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Virginia
                                          Fournier<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                              style="color:purple"><vfournier@apple.com></span></a><br>
                                          <b>Cc:</b><span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser
                                          Forum Governance WG List<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                            href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                              style="color:purple"><govreform@cabforum.org></span></a><br>
                                          <b>Subject:</b><span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                          [cabf_governance] Ballot 206
                                          and documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white">On
                                      6/2/2018 6:25 μμ, Virginia
                                      Fournier wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote
                                  style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white">Hi
                                      Dimitris,<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="background:white">Would
                                        you please let us know what
                                        changes you’d propose to resolve
                                        the issues you’ve mentioned
                                        below?  Your changes weren’t
                                        left out intentionally - we
                                        probably just missed your
                                        request. Thanks.<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><br>
                                    Certainly. I have attached a
                                    red-lined version of the proposed
                                    changes on the
                                    "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc"
                                    file, to align the ETSI audit
                                    criteria with WebTrust. I also made
                                    a small reference correction to the
                                    "Certificate Consumer" definition.<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    However, I couldn't provide an easy
                                    language fix for the requirement 2.1
                                    a, and I hope the WG will be able to
                                    discuss on a future call. I will try
                                    to highlight the problem and propose
                                    some language to resolve the loop.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Here are the current definitions:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <u><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1)
                                        "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The member
                                      organization operates a
                                      certification authority that has a
                                      current and successful WebTrust
                                      for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401
                                      audit report prepared by a
                                      properly-qualified auditor, is a
                                      member of a Working Group, and
                                      that actively issues certificates
                                      to end entities, such certificates
                                      being treated as valid by a
                                      Certificate Consumer Member. 
                                      Applicants that are not actively
                                      issuing certificates but otherwise
                                      meet membership criteria may be
                                      granted Associate Member status
                                      under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period
                                      of time to be designated by the
                                      Forum"</span><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <u><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2)<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The member
                                      organization operates a
                                      certification authority that has a
                                      current and successful WebTrust
                                      for CAs</span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                                      lang="EN">,</span><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">or
                                      ETSI EN 319 401 audit report
                                      prepared by a properly-qualified
                                      auditor, is a member of a Working
                                      Group, and that issues
                                      certificates to subordinate CAs
                                      that, in turn, actively issue
                                      certificates to end entities such
                                      certificates being treated as
                                      valid by a Certificate Consumer
                                      Member</span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                                      lang="EN">.</span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 
                                      Applicants that are not actively
                                      issuing certificates but otherwise
                                      meet membership criteria may be
                                      granted Associate Member status
                                      under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period
                                      of time to be designated by the
                                      Forum. "</span><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <u><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3)<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate Consumer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The member
                                      organization produces a software
                                      product, such as a browser,
                                      intended for use by the general
                                      public for relying upon
                                      certificates and is a member of a
                                      Working Group"</span><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    First of all, since 2.1 talks about
                                    "qualifying for Forum Membership",
                                    which I understand to mean
                                    "Applicants", I propose we replace
                                    "member organization" to "applicant
                                    organization". In order to resolve
                                    the loop problem, perhaps the part
                                    of the "Certificate Consumer"
                                    definition that talks about software
                                    intended for use by the general
                                    public for relying upon
                                    certificates, should be included in
                                    the definitions of (1) and (2).<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    Here is a suggestion for these
                                    definitions:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <u><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1)
                                        "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The applicant
                                      organization operates a
                                      certification authority that has a
                                      current and successful WebTrust
                                      for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401
                                      audit report prepared by a
                                      properly-qualified auditor, is a
                                      member of a Working Group, and
                                      that actively issues certificates
                                      to end entities, such certificates
                                      being treated as valid by a
                                      software product, such as a
                                      browser, intended for use by the
                                      general public for relying upon
                                      certificates. Applicants that are
                                      not actively issuing certificates
                                      but otherwise meet membership
                                      criteria may be granted Associate
                                      Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1
                                      for a period of time to be
                                      designated by the Forum"</span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <u><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2)<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The applicant
                                      organization operates a
                                      certification authority that has a
                                      current and successful WebTrust
                                      for CAs</span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                                      lang="EN">,</span><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">or
                                      ETSI EN 319 401 audit report
                                      prepared by a properly-qualified
                                      auditor, is a member of a Working
                                      Group, and that issues
                                      certificates to subordinate CAs
                                      that, in turn, actively issue
                                      certificates to end entities such
                                      certificates being treated as
                                      valid by a software product, such
                                      as a browser, intended for use by
                                      the general public for relying
                                      upon certificates</span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                                      lang="EN">.</span><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Applicants
                                      that are not actively issuing
                                      certificates but otherwise meet
                                      membership criteria may be granted
                                      Associate Member status under
                                      Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of
                                      time to be designated by the
                                      Forum. "</span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <u><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3)<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate Consumer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The applicant
                                      organization produces a software
                                      product, such as a browser,
                                      intended for use by the general
                                      public for relying upon
                                      certificates and is a member of a
                                      Working Group"</span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Thank you,<br>
                                    Dimitris.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white">Virginia
                                            Fournier<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="background:white">Sent
                                          from my iPhone<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white">Please
                                            excuse iTypos<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><br>
                                        On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM,
                                        Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a
                                          href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            style="color:purple">jimmy@it.auth.gr</span></a>>
                                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><br>
                                            Hello all,<br>
                                            <br>
                                            I reviewed the diffs and the
                                            proposed alignment between
                                            WebTrust and ETSI is not
                                            included in the proposed
                                            Bylaws draft (2.1a). I sent
                                            a proposal on Jan 9th (<a
href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                style="color:purple">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</span></a>)
                                            about the Server Certificate
                                            Working Group Charter but
                                            the concept is the same for
                                            the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                          <ul style="margin-top:0in"
                                            type="disc">
                                            <li class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="mso-list:l0 level1
                                              lfo2;background:white">If
                                              we include the requirement
                                              for "WebTrust for CAs"
                                              audit, then the equivalent
                                              ETSI audit should be "<b>ETSI
                                                EN 319 401</b>". This
                                              probably fits best for the
                                              Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></li>
                                            <li class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="mso-list:l0 level1
                                              lfo2;background:white">If
                                              we include the requirement
                                              for "WebTrust for CAs +
                                              WebTrust Baseline + NetSec
                                              " audit, then the
                                              equivalent ETSI audit
                                              should be "ETSI EN 319
                                              411-1". This probably fits
                                              best for the Server
                                              Certificate Working Group
                                              Charter.<o:p></o:p></li>
                                          </ul>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white">The
                                              old ETSI TS standards
                                              should not be included in
                                              the new bylaws.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              I was also puzzled with
                                              the following requirement
                                              in the Bylaws (section
                                              2.1a) "such certificates
                                              being treated as valid by
                                              a Certificate Consumer<span
class="apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span><b>Member</b>". So, if a CA
                                              issues Certificates for
                                              Digital Signatures which
                                              are trusted by Adobe and
                                              Adobe is not a Member of
                                              the Forum, then this CA
                                              doesn't meet the
                                              requirements. Is this a
                                              correct interpretation?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Best regards,<br>
                                              Dimitris.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ,
                                              Virginia Fournier via
                                              Govreform wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
                                                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hi
                                                        all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
                                                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
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                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">My apologies, I have a conflict for tomorrow’s
                                                      meeting and will
                                                      not be able to
                                                      attend.  I am
                                                      sending what I
                                                      hope are virtually
                                                      final versions of
                                                      the documents.  I
                                                      am sending diff
                                                      files for the
                                                      Bylaws and IPR
                                                      policy, as the
                                                      Word compare
                                                      function will not
                                                      cooperate. The
                                                      diffs may be
                                                      easier to read in
                                                      the end anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">As you may have seen from my email earlier
                                                      today, we have to
                                                      cut off any new
                                                      issues, content,
                                                      etc. from being
                                                      added to the
                                                      ballot so we can
                                                      finalize it.  From
                                                      this point
                                                      forward, we need
                                                      to just review
                                                      what we have,
                                                      clean up typos or
                                                      any errors in the
                                                      ballot, and move
                                                      it forward.  With
                                                      this in mind, I’d
                                                      appreciate it if
                                                      you’d review the
                                                      documents
                                                      attached/referenced
                                                      below to see if
                                                      there are any
                                                      corrections/adjustments
                                                      that need to be
                                                      made.  We can keep
                                                      a list of
                                                      additional
                                                      issues that should
                                                      be addressed for
                                                      the next ballot.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">What is the status of the Server Certificate WG
                                                      charter?  I sent
                                                      some comments to
                                                      Dean/Ben - have
                                                      you had
                                                      a chance to look
                                                      at those?  We
                                                      need the final
                                                      version of that
                                                      document also to
                                                      complete the
                                                      package.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">I’d like to send the documents out early next
                                                      week and start
                                                      an “informal” discussion
                                                      period of 7 days
                                                      next for any
                                                      questions people
                                                      may have.  Does
                                                      anyone see any
                                                      obstacles to doing
                                                      that?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">Here’s the diff for the Bylaws (all changes
                                                      since version 1.7
                                                      shown).<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><a
href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/uyKpIpWVOanrzEuutNyKQlSALyoi3PkQHMormrBAvWs=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdraftable.com%2Fcompare%2FJHYFfXWaHGRx"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:purple">https://draftable.com/compare/JHYFfXWaHGRx</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">Here’s the diff for the IPR Policy (all changes
                                                      since version 1.2
                                                      shown:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
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style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"></span><span
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">669-227-9595</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <a
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                                                  style="background:white">On
                                                  Dec 21, 2017, at 11:19
                                                  AM, Virginia Fournier
                                                  via Govreform <<a
                                                    href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:purple">govreform@cabforum.org</span></a>>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">Here are the final documents for Ballot 206.
                                                       Please confirm
                                                      that you’re ready
                                                      to go forward with
                                                      them in January
                                                      after the
                                                      holidays.  Please
                                                      also let me know
                                                      if you can open
                                                      the Bylaws diff
                                                      file.  What is the
                                                      status of the
                                                      Server Certificate
                                                      WG’s charter?
                                                       Thanks for
                                                      everyone’s hard
                                                      work on this
                                                      project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  style="background:white"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_redline.doc><span
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">669-227-9595</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/8rSOldnBKg8XvPcCi-8xhn3L1EZQhM_E6Wxoe2uL3ps=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgovreform"
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