<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Hi Dimitris,</span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I did not receive the attachment - for some reason the attachments get stripped when I get emails from the CAB Forum lists. Would you please paste the changed language into an email and send to me directly so I get it? Thanks very much.<div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Best regards,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; min-height: 17px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Virginia Fournier</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-family: 'Myriad Set Pro'; color: rgb(94, 94, 94); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span> Apple Inc.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">☏ 669-227-9595</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(71, 135, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">✉︎ <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class="">vmf@apple.com</span></a></span></div></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div>
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<div><br class=""><div class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" class="">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Hi Virginia,<br class="">
<br class="">
Ben circulated on Jan 23rd a revised Server Certificate WG Charter
that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, so we're good
there.<br class="">
<br class="">
The Bylaws diff that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, is
included in a word attachment I sent yesterday (also correcting a
wrong reference at the beginning of the document). Please let me
know if you need anything else.<br class="">
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The only question is if the WG wants to further discuss the "loop"
problem. With the current language, you can't start a WG without a
"Certificate Consumer" <b class="">as a member</b>.<br class="">
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<br class="">
Dimitris.<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2018 12:00 πμ, Virginia Fournier
wrote:<br class="">
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Dimitris,</span>
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<div class="">Ok, it sounds like we have consensus on what we need
to have in the Bylaws and the Server Certificate WG. Would you
please send us an email clearly indicating what needs to be
changed? Please note that redlines don’t come through in this
format, so maybe you could provide something like:</div>
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</div>
<div class="">In Section 2.x, change “the red fox ran fast” to
“the red hen ran away.”</div>
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<div class="">Otherwise, a diff file would be helpful as well.
Thanks!</div>
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<div class="">Thanks very much! <br class="">
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Best
regards,</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Virginia
Fournier</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Senior
Standards Counsel</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-family: 'Myriad Set
Pro'; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);
-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span> Apple Inc.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">☏
669-227-9595</div>
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normal; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">✉︎ <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135,
255);" class="">vmf@apple.com</span></a></span></div>
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<div class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Tim Hollebeek via
Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">That sounds right
to me.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">-Tim<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></a></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color:
windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris
Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
February 6, 2018 12:50 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim
Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>;
Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Certainly
for the Server Working Group. But how about the new
general Bylaws or a new WG around S/MIME? We've said
numerous times that the Baseline Requirements apply
only to SSL/TLS Certificates and so do the WebTrust
for CAs Baseline + NetSec.<br class="">
<br class="">
I recommend adding both. 1 should apply to the new
Server Certificate WG and 2 should apply to the new
general Bylaws.<br class="">
<br class="">
Dimitris.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On
6/2/2018 9:39 μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Ok, I think I
get it.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">We should
either:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<ol start="1" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top:
0in;" class="" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;">upgrade the
WebTrust requirement to “<span style="" class="">WebTrust
for CAs Baseline and NetSec” in order to align
with requiring 411-1, or</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;">downgrade the ETSI
requirement to 401 to align with requiring “<span style="" class="">WebTrust for CAs”.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li>
</ol>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Is that the
right summary?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">In this day
and age, I think (1) is the right approach.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">-Tim</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris
Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
February 6, 2018 12:25 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim
Hollebeek<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>;
CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a>;
Dean Coclin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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5pt;" class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">For those of us who have historically
tried hard not to understand European
regulations, but probably should understand
them better than we do, is one a superset of
the other, and if so, in which direction? If
not, what does the Venn diagram look like?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
ETSI EN 319 401 is the first level and 411 (part
1) is built on top of 401. Here is a diagram
available from the document ETSI TR 119 400 (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/2rg4jdXEPgpG0cVYXn_7B2jFMYhRbjZ1dDZ93zj7UIU=?d=Q-_kHzd0gf5QWQHtRHrPGfKdJo-f3eGryq7gLFMOP2nmmUSSN0U7d-mlnvjACjvkLYiE5YSQEMOLG71tO_RXchqmCncqIIcrFDtBeLZUAlZrHYS8NABgkLo9xeRneXrt67GFWsXpg4qrHaH2i1WE2nD-PJw6kFVRieKZGqfvwVIHbZc847hmNDYYX1OK-hZ2RJn83ueD16yLldoF5f-b26oVHL9YP3qAYqDB1DBj5oHF-Q438yRy8rGuXF2HtuTqmKwbBBcXk0PC1tLRGSErqip7OX_iU04gunrmBr-tIKOBZoFGECMHVRiWmRxQB1S5rVsr5AWiz9-5775yk-JIHODdvIp7ftjTJD56OOQ9yrXrU-QwbxLq6ktF8tL8RuOpgVEfSg%3D%3D&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_tr%2F119400_119499%2F119400%2F01.01.01_60%2Ftr_119400v010101p.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/119400_119499/119400/01.01.01_60/tr_119400v010101p.pdf</a>)<br class="">
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I hope it is clearer now.<br class="">
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Dimitris.<br class="">
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">-Tim</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform
[<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
February 6, 2018 12:10 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean
Coclin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:02 μμ,
Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class="">I’m still confused.
The requirements from browsers is 411-1.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
But the new Bylaws are not only for Browsers
:-)<br class="">
<br class="">
The Server Certificates WG will require ETSI
EN 319 411-1 BUT IT SHOULD ALSO require not
just WebTrust for CAs but also WebTrust for
CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br class="">
<br class="">
Dimitris.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris
Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
February 6, 2018 2:01 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean
Coclin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 8:15 μμ,
Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class="">Dimitris,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class="">We currently list
ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to 401?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and
Network Security Requirements, which is
equal to WebTrust for CAs Baseline and
NetSec.<br class="">
401 covers similar items as WebTrust for
CAs.<br class="">
<br class="">
Dimitris.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class=""><br class="">
Dean</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform
[<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
February 6, 2018 12:16 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Virginia
Fournier<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><vfournier@apple.com></a><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser
Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 6:25
μμ, Virginia Fournier wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Hi Dimitris,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Would you please
let us know what changes you’d propose
to resolve the issues you’ve mentioned
below? Your changes weren’t left out
intentionally - we probably just
missed your request. Thanks.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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Certainly. I have attached a red-lined
version of the proposed changes on the
"CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc" file,
to align the ETSI audit criteria with
WebTrust. I also made a small reference
correction to the "Certificate Consumer"
definition.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
However, I couldn't provide an easy
language fix for the requirement 2.1 a,
and I hope the WG will be able to discuss
on a future call. I will try to highlight
the problem and propose some language to
resolve the loop.<br class="">
<br class="">
Here are the current definitions:<br class="">
<br class="">
<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(1)
"Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization
operates a certification authority that
has a current and successful WebTrust
for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit
report prepared by a properly-qualified
auditor, is a member of a Working Group,
and that actively issues certificates to
end entities, such certificates being
treated as valid by a Certificate
Consumer Member. Applicants that are
not actively issuing certificates but
otherwise meet membership criteria may
be granted Associate Member status under
Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to
be designated by the Forum"</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(2)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Root
Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization
operates a certification authority that
has a current and successful WebTrust
for CAs</span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or
ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by
a properly-qualified auditor, is a
member of a Working Group, and that
issues certificates to subordinate CAs
that, in turn, actively issue
certificates to end entities such
certificates being treated as valid by a
Certificate Consumer Member</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> Applicants that are not
actively issuing certificates but
otherwise meet membership criteria may
be granted Associate Member status under
Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to
be designated by the Forum. "</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(3)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate
Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization
produces a software product, such as a
browser, intended for use by the general
public for relying upon certificates and
is a member of a Working Group"</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
First of all, since 2.1 talks about
"qualifying for Forum Membership", which I
understand to mean "Applicants", I propose
we replace "member organization" to
"applicant organization". In order to
resolve the loop problem, perhaps the part
of the "Certificate Consumer" definition
that talks about software intended for use
by the general public for relying upon
certificates, should be included in the
definitions of (1) and (2).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
Here is a suggestion for these
definitions:<br class="">
<br class="">
<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(1)
"Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization
operates a certification authority that
has a current and successful WebTrust
for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit
report prepared by a properly-qualified
auditor, is a member of a Working Group,
and that actively issues certificates to
end entities, such certificates being
treated as valid by a software product,
such as a browser, intended for use by
the general public for relying upon
certificates. Applicants that are not
actively issuing certificates but
otherwise meet membership criteria may
be granted Associate Member status under
Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to
be designated by the Forum"</span><br class="">
<br class="">
<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(2)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Root
Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization
operates a certification authority that
has a current and successful WebTrust
for CAs</span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or
ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by
a properly-qualified auditor, is a
member of a Working Group, and that
issues certificates to subordinate CAs
that, in turn, actively issue
certificates to end entities such
certificates being treated as valid by a
software product, such as a browser,
intended for use by the general public
for relying upon certificates</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Applicants
that are not actively issuing
certificates but otherwise meet
membership criteria may be granted
Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec.
3.1 for a period of time to be
designated by the Forum. "</span><br class="">
<br class="">
<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(3)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate
Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization
produces a software product, such as a
browser, intended for use by the general
public for relying upon certificates and
is a member of a Working Group"</span><br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Thank you,<br class="">
Dimitris.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent
from my iPhone<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please excuse iTypos<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM,
Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
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Hello all,<br class="">
<br class="">
I reviewed the diffs and the
proposed alignment between
WebTrust and ETSI is not
included in the proposed Bylaws
draft (2.1a). I sent a proposal
on Jan 9th (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</a>)
about the Server Certificate
Working Group Charter but the
concept is the same for the
Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class="" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">If we include the
requirement for "WebTrust for
CAs" audit, then the
equivalent ETSI audit should
be "<b class="">ETSI EN 319
401</b>". This probably fits
best for the Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">If we include the
requirement for "WebTrust for
CAs + WebTrust Baseline +
NetSec " audit, then the
equivalent ETSI audit should
be "ETSI EN 319 411-1". This
probably fits best for the
Server Certificate Working
Group Charter.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">The old
ETSI TS standards should not be
included in the new bylaws.<br class="">
<br class="">
I was also puzzled with the
following requirement in the
Bylaws (section 2.1a) "such
certificates being treated as
valid by a Certificate Consumer<b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Member</b>".
So, if a CA issues Certificates
for Digital Signatures which are
trusted by Adobe and Adobe is
not a Member of the Forum, then
this CA doesn't meet the
requirements. Is this a correct
interpretation?<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Best regards,<br class="">
Dimitris.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia
Fournier via Govreform wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family:
Helvetica,
sans-serif;" class="">Hi
all,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family:
Helvetica,
sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My apologies, I
have a conflict for
tomorrow’s meeting and
will not be able to
attend. I am sending
what I hope are
virtually final versions
of the documents. I am
sending diff files for
the Bylaws and IPR
policy, as the Word
compare function will
not cooperate. The diffs
may be easier to read in
the end anyway.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
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11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As you may have
seen from my email
earlier today, we have
to cut off any new
issues, content, etc.
from being added to the
ballot so we can
finalize it. From this
point forward, we need
to just review what we
have, clean up typos or
any errors in the
ballot, and move it
forward. With this in
mind, I’d appreciate it
if you’d review the
documents
attached/referenced
below to see if there
are any
corrections/adjustments
that need to be made.
We can keep a list of
additional
issues that should be
addressed for the next
ballot.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What is the
status of the Server
Certificate WG charter?
I sent some comments to
Dean/Ben - have you had
a chance to look at
those? We
need the final version
of that document also to
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start
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period of 7 days next
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21, 2017, at 11:19 AM,
Virginia Fournier via
Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
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<div style="margin: 0in
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11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Here are the
final documents for
Ballot 206. Please
confirm that you’re
ready to go forward with
them in January after
the holidays. Please
also let me know if you
can open the Bylaws diff
file. What is the
status of the Server
Certificate WG’s
charter? Thanks for
everyone’s hard work on
this project.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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