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<div><br class=""><div class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" class="">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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    Hi Virginia,<br class="">
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    Ben circulated on Jan 23rd a revised Server Certificate WG Charter
    that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, so we're good
    there.<br class="">
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    The Bylaws diff that takes care of the WebTrust - ETSI alignment, is
    included in a word attachment I sent yesterday (also correcting a
    wrong reference at the beginning of the document). Please let me
    know if you need anything else.<br class="">
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    The only question is if the WG wants to further discuss the "loop"
    problem. With the current language, you can't start a WG without a
    "Certificate Consumer" <b class="">as a member</b>.<br class="">
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    Dimitris.<br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2018 12:00 πμ, Virginia Fournier
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        Dimitris,</span>
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      <div class="">Ok, it sounds like we have consensus on what we need
        to have in the Bylaws and the Server Certificate WG.  Would you
        please send us an email clearly indicating what needs to be
        changed?  Please note that redlines don’t come through in this
        format, so maybe you could provide something like:</div>
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      <div class="">In Section 2.x, change “the red fox ran fast” to
        “the red hen ran away.”</div>
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      <div class="">Otherwise, a diff file would be helpful as well.
         Thanks!</div>
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      <div class="">Thanks very much! <br class="">
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          <div class="">On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Tim Hollebeek via
            Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>
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                  to me.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                        <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                        February 6, 2018 12:50 PM<br class="">
                        <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim
                        Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                        CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>;
                        Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>><br class="">
                        <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                        [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Certainly
                  for the Server Working Group. But how about the new
                  general Bylaws or a new WG around S/MIME? We've said
                  numerous times that the Baseline Requirements apply
                  only to SSL/TLS Certificates and so do the WebTrust
                  for CAs Baseline + NetSec.<br class="">
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                  I recommend adding both. 1 should apply to the new
                  Server Certificate WG and 2 should apply to the new
                  general Bylaws.<br class="">
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                  Dimitris.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On
                    6/2/2018 9:39 μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Ok, I think I
                      get it.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      either:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      sans-serif; color: windowtext;">upgrade the
                      WebTrust requirement to “<span style="" class="">WebTrust
                        for CAs Baseline and NetSec” in order to align
                        with requiring 411-1, or</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li>
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                      0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: windowtext;">downgrade the ETSI
                      requirement to 401 to align with requiring “<span style="" class="">WebTrust for CAs”.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li>
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                      right summary?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">In this day
                      and age, I think (1) is the right approach.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">-Tim</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                              windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris
                            Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                              underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                            <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                            February 6, 2018 12:25 PM<br class="">
                            <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim
                            Hollebeek<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                              underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>;
                            CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                              underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a>;
                            Dean Coclin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                              underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a><br class="">
                            <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek
                        wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
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                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">For those of us who have historically
                          tried hard not to understand European
                          regulations, but probably should understand
                          them better than we do, is one a superset of
                          the other, and if so, in which direction?  If
                          not, what does the Venn diagram look like?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      ETSI EN 319 401 is the first level and 411 (part
                      1) is built on top of 401. Here is a diagram
                      available from the document ETSI TR 119 400 (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/2rg4jdXEPgpG0cVYXn_7B2jFMYhRbjZ1dDZ93zj7UIU=?d=Q-_kHzd0gf5QWQHtRHrPGfKdJo-f3eGryq7gLFMOP2nmmUSSN0U7d-mlnvjACjvkLYiE5YSQEMOLG71tO_RXchqmCncqIIcrFDtBeLZUAlZrHYS8NABgkLo9xeRneXrt67GFWsXpg4qrHaH2i1WE2nD-PJw6kFVRieKZGqfvwVIHbZc847hmNDYYX1OK-hZ2RJn83ueD16yLldoF5f-b26oVHL9YP3qAYqDB1DBj5oHF-Q438yRy8rGuXF2HtuTqmKwbBBcXk0PC1tLRGSErqip7OX_iU04gunrmBr-tIKOBZoFGECMHVRiWmRxQB1S5rVsr5AWiz9-5775yk-JIHODdvIp7ftjTJD56OOQ9yrXrU-QwbxLq6ktF8tL8RuOpgVEfSg%3D%3D&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_tr%2F119400_119499%2F119400%2F01.01.01_60%2Ftr_119400v010101p.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                        underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/119400_119499/119400/01.01.01_60/tr_119400v010101p.pdf</a>)<br class="">
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                      I hope it is clearer now.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Dimitris.<br class="">
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                      <br class="">
                      <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">-Tim</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform
                                [<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                                Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br class="">
                                <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                February 6, 2018 12:10 PM<br class="">
                                <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean
                                Coclin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
                                CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br class="">
                                <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                                documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                          11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                          12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                            sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 9:02 μμ,
                            Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                        <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                            sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                              windowtext;" class="">I’m still confused.
                              The requirements from browsers is 411-1.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                          But the new Bylaws are not only for Browsers
                          :-)<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          The Server Certificates WG will require ETSI
                          EN 319 411-1 BUT IT SHOULD ALSO require not
                          just WebTrust for CAs but also WebTrust for
                          CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          Dimitris.<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                            <div style="border-style: solid none none;
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris
                                  Zacharopoulos [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                  February 6, 2018 2:01 PM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean
                                  Coclin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
                                  CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                  [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                                  documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                            sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 8:15 μμ,
                              Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                                windowtext;" class="">Dimitris,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                                windowtext;" class="">We currently list
                                ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to 401?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                            411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and
                            Network Security Requirements, which is
                            equal to WebTrust for CAs Baseline and
                            NetSec.<br class="">
                            401 covers similar items as WebTrust for
                            CAs.<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            Dimitris.<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                                windowtext;" class=""><br class="">
                                Dean</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color:
                                windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                  font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Govreform
                                    [<a href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
                                      text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris
                                    Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br class="">
                                    <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                    February 6, 2018 12:16 PM<br class="">
                                    <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Virginia
                                    Fournier<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" style="color: purple;
                                      text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><vfournier@apple.com></a><br class="">
                                    <b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser
                                    Forum Governance WG List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org" style="color: purple;
                                      text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br class="">
                                    <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                    [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                                    documents</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                              12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                              Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class="">On 6/2/2018 6:25
                                μμ, Virginia Fournier wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class="">Hi Dimitris,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              <div class="">
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                  font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <div class="">
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                  font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class="">Would you please
                                  let us know what changes you’d propose
                                  to resolve the issues you’ve mentioned
                                  below?  Your changes weren’t left out
                                  intentionally - we probably just
                                  missed your request. Thanks.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                            </blockquote>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              Certainly. I have attached a red-lined
                              version of the proposed changes on the
                              "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc" file,
                              to align the ETSI audit criteria with
                              WebTrust. I also made a small reference
                              correction to the "Certificate Consumer"
                              definition.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              However, I couldn't provide an easy
                              language fix for the requirement 2.1 a,
                              and I hope the WG will be able to discuss
                              on a future call. I will try to highlight
                              the problem and propose some language to
                              resolve the loop.<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              Here are the current definitions:<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(1)
                                  "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization
                                operates a certification authority that
                                has a current and successful WebTrust
                                for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit
                                report prepared by a properly-qualified
                                auditor, is a member of a Working Group,
                                and that actively issues certificates to
                                end entities, such certificates being
                                treated as valid by a Certificate
                                Consumer Member.  Applicants that are
                                not actively issuing certificates but
                                otherwise meet membership criteria may
                                be granted Associate Member status under
                                Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to
                                be designated by the Forum"</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(2)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Root
                                  Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization
                                operates a certification authority that
                                has a current and successful WebTrust
                                for CAs</span><span style="font-family:
                                Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or
                                ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by
                                a properly-qualified auditor, is a
                                member of a Working Group, and that
                                issues certificates to subordinate CAs
                                that, in turn, actively issue
                                certificates to end entities such
                                certificates being treated as valid by a
                                Certificate Consumer Member</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">  Applicants that are not
                                actively issuing certificates but
                                otherwise meet membership criteria may
                                be granted Associate Member status under
                                Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to
                                be designated by the Forum. "</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(3)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate
                                  Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The member organization
                                produces a software product, such as a
                                browser, intended for use by the general
                                public for relying upon certificates and
                                is a member of a Working Group"</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              First of all, since 2.1 talks about
                              "qualifying for Forum Membership", which I
                              understand to mean "Applicants", I propose
                              we replace "member organization" to
                              "applicant organization". In order to
                              resolve the loop problem, perhaps the part
                              of the "Certificate Consumer" definition
                              that talks about software intended for use
                              by the general public for relying upon
                              certificates, should be included in the
                              definitions of (1) and (2).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              Here is a suggestion for these
                              definitions:<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(1)
                                  "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization
                                operates a certification authority that
                                has a current and successful WebTrust
                                for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit
                                report prepared by a properly-qualified
                                auditor, is a member of a Working Group,
                                and that actively issues certificates to
                                end entities, such certificates being
                                treated as valid by a software product,
                                such as a browser, intended for use by
                                the general public for relying upon
                                certificates. Applicants that are not
                                actively issuing certificates but
                                otherwise meet membership criteria may
                                be granted Associate Member status under
                                Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to
                                be designated by the Forum"</span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(2)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Root
                                  Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization
                                operates a certification authority that
                                has a current and successful WebTrust
                                for CAs</span><span style="font-family:
                                Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or
                                ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by
                                a properly-qualified auditor, is a
                                member of a Working Group, and that
                                issues certificates to subordinate CAs
                                that, in turn, actively issue
                                certificates to end entities such
                                certificates being treated as valid by a
                                software product, such as a browser,
                                intended for use by the general public
                                for relying upon certificates</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="EN">.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Applicants
                                that are not actively issuing
                                certificates but otherwise meet
                                membership criteria may be granted
                                Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec.
                                3.1 for a period of time to be
                                designated by the Forum. "</span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(3)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u>"<u class=""><span style="font-family:
                                  Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Certificate
                                  Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">: The applicant organization
                                produces a software product, such as a
                                browser, intended for use by the general
                                public for relying upon certificates and
                                is a member of a Working Group"</span><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              Thank you,<br class="">
                              Dimitris.<br class="">
                              <br class="">
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                              <br class="">
                              <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                    font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent
                                    from my iPhone<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please excuse iTypos<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM,
                                    Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr" style="color: purple;
                                      text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>>
                                    wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                                        Hello all,<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        I reviewed the diffs and the
                                        proposed alignment between
                                        WebTrust and ETSI is not
                                        included in the proposed Bylaws
                                        draft (2.1a). I sent a proposal
                                        on Jan 9th (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html" style="color: purple;
                                          text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</a>)
                                        about the Server Certificate
                                        Working Group Charter but the
                                        concept is the same for the
                                        Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                                      <ul style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class="" type="disc">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                          font-family: Calibri,
                                          sans-serif;">If we include the
                                          requirement for "WebTrust for
                                          CAs" audit, then the
                                          equivalent ETSI audit should
                                          be "<b class="">ETSI EN 319
                                            401</b>". This probably fits
                                          best for the Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
                                          0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                          font-family: Calibri,
                                          sans-serif;">If we include the
                                          requirement for "WebTrust for
                                          CAs + WebTrust Baseline +
                                          NetSec " audit, then the
                                          equivalent ETSI audit should
                                          be "ETSI EN 319 411-1". This
                                          probably fits best for the
                                          Server Certificate Working
                                          Group Charter.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
                                      </ul>
                                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in
                                        0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">The old
                                        ETSI TS standards should not be
                                        included in the new bylaws.<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        I was also puzzled with the
                                        following requirement in the
                                        Bylaws (section 2.1a) "such
                                        certificates being treated as
                                        valid by a Certificate Consumer<b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Member</b>".
                                        So, if a CA issues Certificates
                                        for Digital Signatures which are
                                        trusted by Adobe and Adobe is
                                        not a Member of the Forum, then
                                        this CA doesn't meet the
                                        requirements. Is this a correct
                                        interpretation?<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        Best regards,<br class="">
                                        Dimitris.<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia
                                        Fournier via Govreform wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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                                      <div class="">
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                                          <div class="">
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
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                                                  Helvetica,
                                                  sans-serif;" class="">Hi
                                                  all,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
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                                                </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
                                                0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                                11pt; font-family:
                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My apologies, I
                                                have a conflict for
                                                tomorrow’s meeting and
                                                will not be able to
                                                attend.  I am sending
                                                what I hope are
                                                virtually final versions
                                                of the documents.  I am
                                                sending diff files for
                                                the Bylaws and IPR
                                                policy, as the Word
                                                compare function will
                                                not cooperate. The diffs
                                                may be easier to read in
                                                the end anyway.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
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                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
                                                0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                                11pt; font-family:
                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As you may have
                                                seen from my email
                                                earlier today, we have
                                                to cut off any new
                                                issues, content, etc.
                                                from being added to the
                                                ballot so we can
                                                finalize it.  From this
                                                point forward, we need
                                                to just review what we
                                                have, clean up typos or
                                                any errors in the
                                                ballot, and move it
                                                forward.  With this in
                                                mind, I’d appreciate it
                                                if you’d review the
                                                documents
                                                attached/referenced
                                                below to see if there
                                                are any
                                                corrections/adjustments
                                                that need to be made.
                                                 We can keep a list of
                                                additional
                                                issues that should be
                                                addressed for the next
                                                ballot.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
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                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
                                                0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                                11pt; font-family:
                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What is the
                                                status of the Server
                                                Certificate WG charter?
                                                 I sent some comments to
                                                Dean/Ben - have you had
                                                a chance to look at
                                                those?  We
                                                need the final version
                                                of that document also to
                                                complete the package.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
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                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
                                                0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                                11pt; font-family:
                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’d like to
                                                send the documents out
                                                early next week and
                                                start
                                                an “informal” discussion
                                                period of 7 days next
                                                for any questions people
                                                may have.  Does anyone
                                                see any obstacles to
                                                doing that?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
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                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div style="margin: 0in
                                                0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                                11pt; font-family:
                                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Here’s the diff
                                                for the Bylaws (all
                                                changes since version
                                                1.7 shown).<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
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                                                Ballot 206.  Please
                                                confirm that you’re
                                                ready to go forward with
                                                them in January after
                                                the holidays.  Please
                                                also let me know if you
                                                can open the Bylaws diff
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                                                status of the Server
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