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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dimitris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We currently list ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to 401?<br>
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Dean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Govreform [mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Govreform<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Virginia Fournier <vfournier@apple.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <govreform@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 6:25 μμ, Virginia Fournier wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would you please let us know what changes you’d propose to resolve the issues you’ve mentioned below? Your changes weren’t left out intentionally - we probably just missed your request. Thanks.
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Certainly. I have attached a red-lined version of the proposed changes on the "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc" file, to align the ETSI audit criteria with WebTrust. I also made a small reference correction to the "Certificate Consumer" definition.
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However, I couldn't provide an easy language fix for the requirement 2.1 a, and I hope the WG will be able to discuss on a future call. I will try to highlight the problem and propose some language to resolve the loop.<br>
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Here are the current definitions:<br>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1) "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The member organization operates a certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319
401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that actively issues certificates to end entities, such certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer Member. Applicants that are not actively issuing
certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum"</span>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2) </span></u>"<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The member organization operates a certification authority that
has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working
Group, and that issues certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively issue certificates to end entities such certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer Member</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum. "</span>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3) </span></u>"<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The member organization produces a software product, such as a browser,
intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates and is a member of a Working Group"</span>
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First of all, since 2.1 talks about "qualifying for Forum Membership", which I understand to mean "Applicants", I propose we replace "member organization" to "applicant organization". In order to resolve the loop problem, perhaps the part of the "Certificate
Consumer" definition that talks about software intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates, should be included in the definitions of (1) and (2).
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Here is a suggestion for these definitions:<br>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1) "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The applicant organization operates a certification authority that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs audit or ETSI EN
319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that actively issues certificates to end entities, such certificates being treated as valid by a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the
general public for relying upon certificates. Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum"</span><br>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2) </span></u>"<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root Certificate Issuer</span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The applicant organization operates a certification authority that
has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working
Group, and that issues certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively issue certificates to end entities such certificates being treated as valid by a software product, such as a browser, intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates</span><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated by the Forum. "</span><br>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3) </span></u>"<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate Consumer</span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The applicant organization produces a software product, such as a browser,
intended for use by the general public for relying upon certificates and is a member of a Working Group"</span><br>
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Dimitris.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please excuse iTypos<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hello all,<br>
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I reviewed the diffs and the proposed alignment between WebTrust and ETSI is not included in the proposed Bylaws draft (2.1a). I sent a proposal on Jan 9th (<a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</a>)
about the Server Certificate Working Group Charter but the concept is the same for the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
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If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs" audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit should be "<b>ETSI EN 319 401</b>". This probably fits best for the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs + WebTrust Baseline + NetSec " audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit should be "ETSI EN 319 411-1". This probably fits best for the Server Certificate Working Group Charter.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">The old ETSI TS standards should not be included in the new bylaws.<br>
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I was also puzzled with the following requirement in the Bylaws (section 2.1a) "such certificates being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer<b> Member</b>". So, if a CA issues Certificates for Digital Signatures which are trusted by Adobe and Adobe is
not a Member of the Forum, then this CA doesn't meet the requirements. Is this a correct interpretation?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia Fournier via Govreform wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My apologies, I have a conflict for tomorrow’s meeting and will not be able to attend. I am sending what I hope are virtually final versions of the documents. I am sending diff files for the Bylaws and IPR policy, as the Word compare
function will not cooperate. The diffs may be easier to read in the end anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you may have seen from my email earlier today, we have to cut off any new issues, content, etc. from being added to the ballot so we can finalize it. From this point forward, we need to just review what we have, clean up typos or any
errors in the ballot, and move it forward. With this in mind, I’d appreciate it if you’d review the documents attached/referenced below to see if there are any corrections/adjustments that need to be made. We can keep a list of additional issues that should
be addressed for the next ballot.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What is the status of the Server Certificate WG charter? I sent some comments to Dean/Ben - have you had a chance to look at those? We need the final version of that document also to complete the package.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d like to send the documents out early next week and start an “informal” discussion period of 7 days next for any questions people may have. Does anyone see any obstacles to doing that?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here’s the diff for the Bylaws (all changes since version 1.7 shown).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here’s the diff for the IPR Policy (all changes since version 1.2 shown:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are the final documents for Ballot 206. Please confirm that you’re ready to go forward with them in January after the holidays. Please also let me know if you can open the Bylaws diff file. What is the status of the Server Certificate
WG’s charter? Thanks for everyone’s hard work on this project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF_Ballot206_20DEC17.docx> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_clean.doc> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_redline.doc> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_20DEC17_clean.doc> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-Governance Change FAQ_20DEC17.docx> <o:p></o:p></p>
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