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    Certainly for the Server Working Group. But how about the new
    general Bylaws or a new WG around S/MIME? We've said numerous times
    that the Baseline Requirements apply only to SSL/TLS Certificates
    and so do the WebTrust for CAs Baseline + NetSec.<br>
    <br>
    I recommend adding both. 1 should apply to the new Server
    Certificate WG and 2 should apply to the new general Bylaws.<br>
    <br>
    Dimitris.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2018 9:39 μμ, Tim Hollebeek
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Ok, I think
            I get it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We should
            either:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="color:windowtext;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo4">upgrade the WebTrust requirement to “<span
              style="color:black">WebTrust for CAs Baseline and NetSec”
              in order to align with requiring 411-1, or</span><o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="color:windowtext;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo4">downgrade the ETSI requirement to 401 to align with
            requiring “<span style="color:black">WebTrust for CAs”.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Is that the
            right summary?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">In this day
            and age, I think (1) is the right approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                  style="color:windowtext"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>] <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:25 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>; CA/Browser Forum
                  Governance WG List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"><govreform@cabforum.org></a>;
                  Dean Coclin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
                  documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 9:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">For
                those of us who have historically tried hard not to
                understand European regulations, but probably should
                understand them better than we do, is one a superset of
                the other, and if so, in which direction?  If not, what
                does the Venn diagram look like?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            ETSI EN 319 401 is the first level and 411 (part 1) is built
            on top of 401. Here is a diagram available from the document
            ETSI TR 119 400 (<a
href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/2rg4jdXEPgpG0cVYXn_7B2jFMYhRbjZ1dDZ93zj7UIU=?d=Q-_kHzd0gf5QWQHtRHrPGfKdJo-f3eGryq7gLFMOP2nmmUSSN0U7d-mlnvjACjvkLYiE5YSQEMOLG71tO_RXchqmCncqIIcrFDtBeLZUAlZrHYS8NABgkLo9xeRneXrt67GFWsXpg4qrHaH2i1WE2nD-PJw6kFVRieKZGqfvwVIHbZc847hmNDYYX1OK-hZ2RJn83ueD16yLldoF5f-b26oVHL9YP3qAYqDB1DBj5oHF-Q438yRy8rGuXF2HtuTqmKwbBBcXk0PC1tLRGSErqip7OX_iU04gunrmBr-tIKOBZoFGECMHVRiWmRxQB1S5rVsr5AWiz9-5775yk-JIHODdvIp7ftjTJD56OOQ9yrXrU-QwbxLq6ktF8tL8RuOpgVEfSg%3D%3D&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_tr%2F119400_119499%2F119400%2F01.01.01_60%2Ftr_119400v010101p.pdf"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/119400_119499/119400/01.01.01_60/tr_119400v010101p.pdf</a>)<br>
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            I hope it is clearer now.<br>
            <br>
            Dimitris.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">-Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                      style="color:windowtext"> Govreform [<a
                        href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos via
                      Govreform<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:10 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Dean Coclin <a
                        href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
                      CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <a
                        href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206
                      and documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 9:02 μμ, Dean Coclin
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I’m
                    still confused. The requirements from browsers is
                    411-1.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </blockquote>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                But the new Bylaws are not only for Browsers :-)<br>
                <br>
                The Server Certificates WG will require ETSI EN 319
                411-1 BUT IT SHOULD ALSO require not just WebTrust for
                CAs but also WebTrust for CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br>
                <br>
                Dimitris.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                        style="color:windowtext"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                        [<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:01 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Dean Coclin <a
                          href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
                        CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <a
                          href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206
                        and documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 8:15 μμ, Dean Coclin
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dimitris,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We
                      currently list ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to
                      401?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </blockquote>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                  411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and Network
                  Security Requirements, which is equal to WebTrust for
                  CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br>
                  401 covers similar items as WebTrust for CAs.<br>
                  <br>
                  Dimitris.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><br>
                      Dean</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                            style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                          style="color:windowtext"> Govreform [<a
                            href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                          via Govreform<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:16
                          PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Virginia Fournier <a
                            href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><vfournier@apple.com></a><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List
                          <a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot
                          206 and documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 6:25 μμ, Virginia
                      Fournier wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dimitris, <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Would you please let us know
                        what changes you’d propose to resolve the issues
                        you’ve mentioned below?  Your changes weren’t
                        left out intentionally - we probably just missed
                        your request. Thanks. <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                    Certainly. I have attached a red-lined version of
                    the proposed changes on the
                    "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc" file, to align
                    the ETSI audit criteria with WebTrust. I also made a
                    small reference correction to the "Certificate
                    Consumer" definition. <br>
                    <br>
                    However, I couldn't provide an easy language fix for
                    the requirement 2.1 a, and I hope the WG will be
                    able to discuss on a future call. I will try to
                    highlight the problem and propose some language to
                    resolve the loop.<br>
                    <br>
                    Here are the current definitions:<br>
                    <br>
                    <u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1)
                        "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">:
                      The member organization operates a certification
                      authority that has a current and successful
                      WebTrust for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319 401 audit
                      report prepared by a properly-qualified auditor,
                      is a member of a Working Group, and that actively
                      issues certificates to end entities, such
                      certificates being treated as valid by a
                      Certificate Consumer Member.  Applicants that are
                      not actively issuing certificates but otherwise
                      meet membership criteria may be granted Associate
                      Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of
                      time to be designated by the Forum"</span> <br>
                    <br>
                    <u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2)
                      </span></u>"<u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root
                        Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">:
                      The member organization operates a certification
                      authority that has a current and successful
                      WebTrust for CAs</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN">,</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
                      or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
                      properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a
                      Working Group, and that issues certificates to
                      subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively issue
                      certificates to end entities such certificates
                      being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer
                      Member</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN">.</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 
                      Applicants that are not actively issuing
                      certificates but otherwise meet membership
                      criteria may be granted Associate Member status
                      under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be
                      designated by the Forum. "</span> <br>
                    <br>
                    <u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3)
                      </span></u>"<u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate
                        Consumer</span></u><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">:
                      The member organization produces a software
                      product, such as a browser, intended for use by
                      the general public for relying upon certificates
                      and is a member of a Working Group"</span> <br>
                    <br>
                    First of all, since 2.1 talks about "qualifying for
                    Forum Membership", which I understand to mean
                    "Applicants", I propose we replace "member
                    organization" to "applicant organization". In order
                    to resolve the loop problem, perhaps the part of the
                    "Certificate Consumer" definition that talks about
                    software intended for use by the general public for
                    relying upon certificates, should be included in the
                    definitions of (1) and (2). <br>
                    <br>
                    Here is a suggestion for these definitions:<br>
                    <br>
                    <u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1)
                        "Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">:
                      The applicant organization operates a
                      certification authority that has a current and
                      successful WebTrust for CAs audit or ETSI EN 319
                      401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified
                      auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that
                      actively issues certificates to end entities, such
                      certificates being treated as valid by a software
                      product, such as a browser, intended for use by
                      the general public for relying upon certificates.
                      Applicants that are not actively issuing
                      certificates but otherwise meet membership
                      criteria may be granted Associate Member status
                      under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be
                      designated by the Forum"</span><br>
                    <br>
                    <u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2)
                      </span></u>"<u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root
                        Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">:
                      The applicant organization operates a
                      certification authority that has a current and
                      successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN">,</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
                      or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
                      properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a
                      Working Group, and that issues certificates to
                      subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively issue
                      certificates to end entities such certificates
                      being treated as valid by a software product, such
                      as a browser, intended for use by the general
                      public for relying upon certificates</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN">.</span><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
                      Applicants that are not actively issuing
                      certificates but otherwise meet membership
                      criteria may be granted Associate Member status
                      under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be
                      designated by the Forum. "</span><br>
                    <br>
                    <u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3)
                      </span></u>"<u><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate
                        Consumer</span></u><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">:
                      The applicant organization produces a software
                      product, such as a browser, intended for use by
                      the general public for relying upon certificates
                      and is a member of a Working Group"</span><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thank you,<br>
                    Dimitris.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div id="AppleMailSignature">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Virginia Fournier<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Please excuse iTypos<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                          On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Dimitris
                          Zacharopoulos <<a
                            href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote
                        style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                              Hello all,<br>
                              <br>
                              I reviewed the diffs and the proposed
                              alignment between WebTrust and ETSI is not
                              included in the proposed Bylaws draft
                              (2.1a). I sent a proposal on Jan 9th (<a
href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</a>)
                              about the Server Certificate Working Group
                              Charter but the concept is the same for
                              the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <ul type="disc">
                              <li class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                                level1 lfo3">If we include the
                                requirement for "WebTrust for CAs"
                                audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit
                                should be "<b>ETSI EN 319 401</b>". This
                                probably fits best for the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></li>
                              <li class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                                level1 lfo3">If we include the
                                requirement for "WebTrust for CAs +
                                WebTrust Baseline + NetSec " audit, then
                                the equivalent ETSI audit should be
                                "ETSI EN 319 411-1". This probably fits
                                best for the Server Certificate Working
                                Group Charter.<o:p></o:p></li>
                            </ul>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">The old ETSI TS
                              standards should not be included in the
                              new bylaws.<br>
                              <br>
                              I was also puzzled with the following
                              requirement in the Bylaws (section 2.1a)
                              "such certificates being treated as valid
                              by a Certificate Consumer<b> Member</b>".
                              So, if a CA issues Certificates for
                              Digital Signatures which are trusted by
                              Adobe and Adobe is not a Member of the
                              Forum, then this CA doesn't meet the
                              requirements. Is this a correct
                              interpretation?<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              Best regards,<br>
                              Dimitris.<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia Fournier via
                              Govreform wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote
                            style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hi
                                        all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">My apologies, I
                                      have a conflict for tomorrow’s
                                      meeting and will not be able to
                                      attend.  I am sending what I hope
                                      are virtually final versions of
                                      the documents.  I am sending diff
                                      files for the Bylaws and IPR
                                      policy, as the Word compare
                                      function will not cooperate. The
                                      diffs may be easier to read in the
                                      end anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">As you may have
                                      seen from my email earlier today,
                                      we have to cut off any new
                                      issues, content, etc. from being
                                      added to the ballot so we can
                                      finalize it.  From this point
                                      forward, we need to just review
                                      what we have, clean up typos or
                                      any errors in the ballot, and move
                                      it forward.  With this in mind,
                                      I’d appreciate it if you’d review
                                      the documents attached/referenced
                                      below to see if there are any
                                      corrections/adjustments that need
                                      to be made.  We can keep a list of
                                      additional issues that should be
                                      addressed for the next ballot.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">What is the
                                      status of the Server Certificate
                                      WG charter?  I sent some comments
                                      to Dean/Ben - have you had
                                      a chance to look at those?  We
                                      need the final version of that
                                      document also to complete the
                                      package.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">I’d like to
                                      send the documents out early next
                                      week and start
                                      an “informal” discussion period of
                                      7 days next for any questions
                                      people may have.  Does anyone see
                                      any obstacles to doing that?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Here’s the diff
                                      for the Bylaws (all changes since
                                      version 1.7 shown).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Here’s the diff
                                      for the IPR Policy (all changes
                                      since version 1.2 shown:<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/8q3XvGqohjM8pvFAj8n2TNaDAB0so_mrZcspY58oCLE=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdraftable.com%2Fcompare%2FQuHvYZiCAAUr"
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                                          style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Best
                                          regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Virginia
                                          Fournier</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Senior
                                          Standards Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:10.5pt"></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> Apple
                                          Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Symbol \,sans-serif"">☏</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">
                                          669-227-9595</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Symbol \,sans-serif"">✉︎</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <a
                                            href="mailto:vmf@apple.com"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">vmf@apple.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 21, 2017, at
                                  11:19 AM, Virginia Fournier via
                                  Govreform <<a
                                    href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>
                                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hello all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Here are the
                                      final documents for Ballot 206.
                                       Please confirm that you’re ready
                                      to go forward with them in January
                                      after the holidays.  Please also
                                      let me know if you can open the
                                      Bylaws diff file.  What is the
                                      status of the Server Certificate
                                      WG’s charter?  Thanks for
                                      everyone’s hard work on this
                                      project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><CABF_Ballot206_20DEC17.docx>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_clean.doc>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_redline.doc>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_20DEC17_clean.doc>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-Governance
                                  Change FAQ_20DEC17.docx> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><Bylaws DiffNow
                                  Comparison Report.htm> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Best
                                                  regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Virginia
                                                  Fournier</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Senior
                                                  Standards Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt"></span><span
                                                  style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> Apple
                                                  Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol
                                                  \,sans-serif"">☏</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol
                                                  \,sans-serif"">✉︎</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" moz-do-not-send="true">vmf@apple.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
                                  Govreform mailing list<br>
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                                    href="mailto:Govreform@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">Govreform@cabforum.org</a><br>
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href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/8rSOldnBKg8XvPcCi-8xhn3L1EZQhM_E6Wxoe2uL3ps=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgovreform"
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                            <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre>Govreform mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
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