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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2018 9:02 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I’m still
confused. The requirements from browsers is 411-1.</span></p>
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But the new Bylaws are not only for Browsers :-)<br>
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The Server Certificates WG will require ETSI EN 319 411-1 BUT IT
SHOULD ALSO require not just WebTrust for CAs but also WebTrust for
CAs Baseline and NetSec.<br>
<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr">mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dean Coclin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"><govreform@cabforum.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 8:15 μμ, Dean Coclin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dimitris,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We
currently list ETSI 411-1. Why should we change to 401?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
411-1 covers Baseline Requirements and Network Security
Requirements, which is equal to WebTrust for CAs Baseline and
NetSec.<br>
401 covers similar items as WebTrust for CAs.<br>
<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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Dean</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Govreform [<a
href="mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:govreform-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos via
Govreform<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Virginia Fournier <a
href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><vfournier@apple.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Governance WG List <a
href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<govreform@cabforum.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabf_governance] Ballot 206 and
documents</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/2/2018 6:25 μμ, Virginia Fournier
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dimitris, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would you please let us know what
changes you’d propose to resolve the issues you’ve
mentioned below? Your changes weren’t left out
intentionally - we probably just missed your request.
Thanks.
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Certainly. I have attached a red-lined version of the
proposed changes on the "CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_23-Jan-2018.doc"
file, to align the ETSI audit criteria with WebTrust. I also
made a small reference correction to the "Certificate
Consumer" definition.
<br>
<br>
However, I couldn't provide an easy language fix for the
requirement 2.1 a, and I hope the WG will be able to discuss
on a future call. I will try to highlight the problem and
propose some language to resolve the loop.<br>
<br>
Here are the current definitions:<br>
<br>
<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1)
"Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The
member organization operates a certification authority
that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs audit
or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working
Group, and that actively issues certificates to end
entities, such certificates being treated as valid by a
Certificate Consumer Member. Applicants that are not
actively issuing certificates but otherwise meet
membership criteria may be granted Associate Member status
under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period of time to be designated
by the Forum"</span>
<br>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2)
</span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root
Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The
member organization operates a certification authority
that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">,</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> or ETSI
EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified
auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that issues
certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively
issue certificates to end entities such certificates being
treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer Member</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">.</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but
otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted
Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period
of time to be designated by the Forum. "</span>
<br>
<br>
<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3)
</span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate
Consumer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The
member organization produces a software product, such as a
browser, intended for use by the general public for
relying upon certificates and is a member of a Working
Group"</span>
<br>
<br>
First of all, since 2.1 talks about "qualifying for Forum
Membership", which I understand to mean "Applicants", I
propose we replace "member organization" to "applicant
organization". In order to resolve the loop problem, perhaps
the part of the "Certificate Consumer" definition that talks
about software intended for use by the general public for
relying upon certificates, should be included in the
definitions of (1) and (2).
<br>
<br>
Here is a suggestion for these definitions:<br>
<br>
<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1)
"Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The
applicant organization operates a certification authority
that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs audit
or ETSI EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a
properly-qualified auditor, is a member of a Working
Group, and that actively issues certificates to end
entities, such certificates being treated as valid by a
software product, such as a browser, intended for use by
the general public for relying upon certificates.
Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but
otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted
Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period
of time to be designated by the Forum"</span><br>
<br>
<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2)
</span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root
Certificate Issuer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The
applicant organization operates a certification authority
that has a current and successful WebTrust for CAs</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">,</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> or ETSI
EN 319 401 audit report prepared by a properly-qualified
auditor, is a member of a Working Group, and that issues
certificates to subordinate CAs that, in turn, actively
issue certificates to end entities such certificates being
treated as valid by a software product, such as a browser,
intended for use by the general public for relying upon
certificates</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">.</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
Applicants that are not actively issuing certificates but
otherwise meet membership criteria may be granted
Associate Member status under Bylaw Sec. 3.1 for a period
of time to be designated by the Forum. "</span><br>
<br>
<u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(3)
</span></u>"<u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certificate
Consumer</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: The
applicant organization produces a software product, such
as a browser, intended for use by the general public for
relying upon certificates and is a member of a Working
Group"</span><br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Virginia Fournier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please excuse iTypos<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Feb 6, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos
<<a href="mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr"
moz-do-not-send="true">jimmy@it.auth.gr</a>>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
I reviewed the diffs and the proposed alignment
between WebTrust and ETSI is not included in the
proposed Bylaws draft (2.1a). I sent a proposal on
Jan 9th (<a
href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/xRJEOuXg-y_jlF4bPlvzPYNhn8a6eit8kncIq_wfMZ8=?d=zYU90j46QxTFNxAvlm_vJ4ZGqsTgwmt8yY9zvr0ptokxsxcxPTiHyfv81qHB08VOX3rrzZExOGgmgJkxIPZh2VDCB2-WrHv3HSXYZ8Wzk09rw2zFsyEvlFL13nhb7UzygerGhghF5qQl0uKJbkrgfHeL3_MxqGdnvlA7v_LK1cQLQhJS5vIh8quuXAU7PSSJvzKot7DAJo6bZDIRpzkFwNY2W9QBa2ODpEWTq9Pgug2qPyiezauI14B6fZZzXDwU0Ivj6KGS2Dy_1JXgXrsoUU_njc0WcH8N60MzLhzfYru_KK1QzFyolSRuA_TbFD0QG9P-7dp5mSt1H1BWsQ8OFAuLGgGHPbw9v12-oYSxeZkcV1l_eqlq15pTQI-hUSzH_gt5129IW5k-Txy56XOL79S-5w%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgovreform%2F2018-January%2F000355.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</a>)
about the Server Certificate Working Group Charter
but the concept is the same for the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
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If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for
CAs" audit, then the equivalent ETSI audit
should be "<b>ETSI EN 319 401</b>". This
probably fits best for the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></li>
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If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for
CAs + WebTrust Baseline + NetSec " audit, then
the equivalent ETSI audit should be "ETSI EN 319
411-1". This probably fits best for the Server
Certificate Working Group Charter.<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The old ETSI TS standards
should not be included in the new bylaws.<br>
<br>
I was also puzzled with the following requirement
in the Bylaws (section 2.1a) "such certificates
being treated as valid by a Certificate Consumer<b>
Member</b>". So, if a CA issues Certificates for
Digital Signatures which are trusted by Adobe and
Adobe is not a Member of the Forum, then this CA
doesn't meet the requirements. Is this a correct
interpretation?<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia Fournier via
Govreform wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My apologies, I have a
conflict for tomorrow’s meeting and will
not be able to attend. I am sending what
I hope are virtually final versions of the
documents. I am sending diff files for
the Bylaws and IPR policy, as the Word
compare function will not cooperate. The
diffs may be easier to read in the end
anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you may have seen
from my email earlier today, we have to
cut off any new issues, content, etc. from
being added to the ballot so we can
finalize it. From this point forward, we
need to just review what we have, clean up
typos or any errors in the ballot, and
move it forward. With this in mind, I’d
appreciate it if you’d review the
documents attached/referenced below to see
if there are any corrections/adjustments
that need to be made. We can keep a list
of additional issues that should be
addressed for the next ballot.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What is the status of
the Server Certificate WG charter? I sent
some comments to Dean/Ben - have you had
a chance to look at those? We
need the final version of that document
also to complete the package.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d like to send the
documents out early next week and start
an “informal” discussion period of 7 days
next for any questions people may have.
Does anyone see any obstacles to doing
that?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Bylaws (all changes since version 1.7
shown).<o:p></o:p></p>
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regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Fournier</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Senior
Standards Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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669-227-9595</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:19
AM, Virginia Fournier via Govreform <<a
href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">govreform@cabforum.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are the final
documents for Ballot 206. Please confirm
that you’re ready to go forward with them
in January after the holidays. Please
also let me know if you can open the
Bylaws diff file. What is the status of
the Server Certificate WG’s charter?
Thanks for everyone’s hard work on this
project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF_Ballot206_20DEC17.docx>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_clean.doc>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.3_20DEC17_redline.doc>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-Bylaws-v.1.8_20DEC17_clean.doc>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><CABF-Governance Change
FAQ_20DEC17.docx> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><Bylaws DiffNow
Comparison Report.htm> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Virginia
Fournier</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Senior
Standards Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt"></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> Apple
Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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,sans-serif",serif">☏</span><span
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669-227-9595</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:vmf@apple.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">vmf@apple.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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