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Hello all,<br>
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I reviewed the diffs and the proposed alignment between WebTrust
and ETSI is not included in the proposed Bylaws draft (2.1a). I
sent a proposal on Jan 9th
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/govreform/2018-January/000355.html</a>)
about the Server Certificate Working Group Charter but the concept
is the same for the Bylaws.<br>
<br>
<ul>
<li>If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs" audit,
then the equivalent ETSI audit should be "<b>ETSI EN 319 401</b>".
This probably fits best for the Bylaws.<br>
</li>
<li>If we include the requirement for "WebTrust for CAs +
WebTrust Baseline + NetSec " audit, then the equivalent ETSI
audit should be "ETSI EN 319 411-1". This probably fits best
for the Server Certificate Working Group Charter.<br>
</li>
</ul>
The old ETSI TS standards should not be included in the new
bylaws.<br>
<br>
I was also puzzled with the following requirement in the Bylaws
(section 2.1a) "such certificates being treated as valid by a
Certificate Consumer<b> Member</b>". So, if a CA issues
Certificates for Digital Signatures which are trusted by Adobe and
Adobe is not a Member of the Forum, then this CA doesn't meet the
requirements. Is this a correct interpretation?<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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On 6/2/2018 9:15 πμ, Virginia Fournier via Govreform wrote:<br>
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meeting and will not be able to attend. I am sending
what I hope are virtually final versions of the
documents. I am sending diff files for the Bylaws and
IPR policy, as the Word compare function will not
cooperate. The diffs may be easier to read in the end
anyway.</span></div>
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etc. from being added to the ballot so we can finalize
it. From this point forward, we need to just review
what we have, clean up typos or any errors in the
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appreciate it if you</span>’<span
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review the documents attached/referenced below to see if
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look at those? We need </span>the<span
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period of 7 days next for any questions people may have.
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via Govreform <<a href="mailto:govreform@cabforum.org"
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<div class="">Here are the final documents for Ballot 206.
Please confirm that you’re ready to go forward with them
in January after the holidays. Please also let me know if
you can open the Bylaws diff file. What is the status of
the Server Certificate WG’s charter? Thanks for
everyone’s hard work on this project.</div>
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